Date:         Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:13:19 -0500
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From:         Bill Schreitz <cabmkrwbs@EROLS.COM>
Subject:      Re: DC Ash-throated Flycatcher
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Hello Dave,

We have met in the field before, the last time was I believe was at Port
Mahon with a late Nelson's Sharptail Sparrow.  Anyway, when I see a post
that I don't have time to read but has some bearing on what I have been
interested in that week, I file it an read it later.  Well, I miss-filed
your note on the Ash-Throated Flycatcher.   I took a couple of pictures on
the 12 of November and thought you might like to see them.  Both Barry and
Gail were there the same afternoon.  The sun was strong and behind us, which
may have bleached any distinction between the feather edges.  I hope these
will be of use to you.  My recollection is that the contrasts were uniform,
but I was also unaware that that was a field mark.

Bill



WILLIAM B SCHREITZ CABINETMAKER  INC
1806 VIRGINIA STREET
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-----Original Message-----
From: David Mozurkewich <mozurk@BELLATLANTIC.NET>
To: MDOSPREY@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM <MDOSPREY@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>
Date: Thursday, November 22, 2001 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [MDOSPREY] DC Ash-throated Flycatcher


>No, it's not back.  I'm just getting around to reading my mail.
>
>On Mon, 12 Nov 2001, Bill Dobbins wrote:
>
>> The undertail was well seen and has a dark outer border
>> on the sides and extending across the tip of the tail - this feature
>> according to Howell & Webb excludes other Myiarchus species with which it
>> might be confused.
>
>Another feature that is claimed to be diagnostic for separating
>Ash-throated from Great Crested is the wing feather edges.  On Great
>Crested the tertial edges are bright white contrasting with gray edges on
>the secondaries and coverts.  On Ash-throated all these feathers have
>edges with similar contrast.
>
>Dave Czaplak's (http://www.odolep.com/abirdhome.htm) excellent description
>and photos make a good case for this bird being an Ash-throated
>Flycatcher. However, they also suggest the possibly that the wing pattern
>may be somewhat more consistent with Great Crested.  See the right-hand
>photo in the second row and sketch 1.
>
>So I have two questions
>
>1) Are there other examples of this wing pattern not matching the bird?
>
>2) Can anyone who saw the bird comment on what the wing pattern looked
>like in the field?  Photographs can be misleading.
>
>Dave
>David Mozurkewich
>Seabrook, PG MD USA
>mozurk@bellAtlantic.net
>
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