Jack, thanks! That site has Xmas count data, and can be very useful for that purpose. In any event, Norm tracked down a couple of numbers which were posted here for anyone else who needs them. I know most of you must be aware of this already but the Triadelphia and Ocean City counts are celebrating their 50th Anniv. counts this year. So contact Rick Sussman or Chan Robbins to participate in these historic occasions. I wish we had thought of making up t-shirts like they had for the first counts (100 years and counting!) Fran -------------------------------- Fran Saunders Maryland Ornithological Society State Web Site Director saunderf@ari.net http://www2.ari.net/saunderf/mos/mos.html