I wanted to add a thought or two about the photos of the Say's Phoebe. All three of those photos that I published on the web were taken by holding my 35 mm SLR camera with the standard 50 mm lens up to the eyepiece of a spotting scope. The top left and bottom pictures were taken through my Kowa TSN-2 with 20-60x zoom eyepiece with the zoom down at the low end. The upper right photo was taken through Joan Renninger's Leica Televid 77 scope which, as I recall, had the 20x wide angle eyepiece (correct me if I am wrong Joan). The point is that if you need to document a rare bird, this method is quite an easy way to accomplish that goal. Most of us have spotting scopes and you don't need any fancy expensive lenses for your camera. The photos are certainly not magazine cover quality, but they do document the bird. It also allows you to get decent photos from a distance. I first learned about this method from an article written by Bob Augustine a few years back. I believe it was a "Tools of the Trade" column in "Birding" magazine. Good birding, Don ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Don Henise Mailto:deheni@ark.ship.edu Information & Computing Tech Center Voice:(717) 532-9121 ext 3170 Shippensburg University Home:(717) 776-6550 1871 Old Main Drive Fax:(717) 532-1427 Shippensburg, PA 17257 http://www.ship.edu/~deheni/ -----------------------------------------------------------------------