For birds in the hand (and it works for standard pix also), you need a macro lense. That is what I use even with my telephoto lenses. This allows you to focus very close to birds in the hand, flowers, insects, etc. I have gotten some lovely insect, reptile, amphib, plant, and bird photos with this lense -- basically what you see in your field of view is what you get. The lens doesn't do wide angle shots but does everything else. Cheers, Kathy ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Fran Saunders - Long Lenses Author: mdosprey@ARI.Net at NBS-Internet-Gateway Date: 1/15/98 5:38 PM Jack, thanks for the additional information on Minoltas. Norm is currently intrigued with the Canons, but I have had Minoltas since I started taking serious pictures. I've been using an APS camera for the web site pictures--some of you may have noticed the birding locale pictures and signs that make up the quiz section--with good results, but I find that I am losing opportunities. For instance, in AZ we participated in a banding exercise for a PhD candidate out there. We had great opportunities to see the birds in hand after they were banded. This was an incredible view of the field marks and plumage. Why, I could see nearly every feather and trim quite distinctly. But by golly my little camera pushed the bird into the distance. It actually appeared smaller than it did to my naked eye. What a disappointment! So I am learning that different cameras for different situations may be the way to go. I am going to look into the Tamron you suggested, since that it is a very reasonable price given that we already have one long lens. I think I mentioned we already have the 500mm Minolta mirror lens for our cameras and ours is very compact, although much wider than other lenses. That being said, what can one do to minimize the donuts???? Fran -------------------------------- Fran Saunders Maryland Ornithological Society State Web Site Director saunderf@ari.net http://www2.ari.net/saunderf/mos/mos.html