Norm, Thanks for the MC info. Thankfully, I do not need it, since I was successful this AM, both at Deer Park and Pine Knob Roads. My success was due to those experts at these sites who were quite good at hearing the bird sounds (David G of Virginia was one of these experts). At 10:15 we saw a flock of 8 Red Crossbills at Deer Park Rd. An hour later I was at Pine Knob Rd and saw one White-winged Crossbill among a flock of about 20 Reds. This time I had my scope out, the sky was somewhat brighter and we got some good looks. About 10 minutes later 2 White-winged Crossbills cooperated by staying in a deciduous tree for at least 10 min, giving us a chance to view them at several angles. The yellow rump patch on the female was quite visible. Again, thanks to the birders who helped. The Texas trip was very good. We recorded 227 species over the 2 weeks, which included 87 life birds for me. Being on the 5 CBCs and also having the opportunity to be with local experts at other times was a bonus. On the last day we were on the beach at Galveston and bumped into a bunch of birders who had just concluded that they were looking at a Yellow-legged Gull among a flock of gulls. This was a state record bird and they asked us to help in the documentation. Also being with the experts on one of the CBCs we got a great look at a Zone-Tailed Hawk, a bird we would have overlooked, thinking it was a Turkey Vulture. When we compared our trip list against Jim Greens, there were lots of birds he saw that we expected to see but did not. I concluded it is a matter of luck and timing. Much like when we were at Rio Bentsen SP; we ran into people who had seen the Northern Beardless Tyrannulet 8-10 times within a few days. We and others looked for much of the day and had no luck. Thanks again for the information. Joe