Fran asked if Jim had seen Bob Ringler's video of the Common Gull. Jim, and quite a few others of us, have seen it. It is not as useful for ID purposes as the still photos, but it does confirm my impression at the time I first saw the bird - most of the characters are more suggestive of Ring-billed than Common. The still photos confirm the initial suspicions. It is almost certainly not a Common Gull. It is a Ring-bill. Rick "Everywhere I go I'm asked if the university stifles writers. My opinion is that they don't stifle enough of them. There's many a bestseller that could have been prevented by a good teacher." Flannery O'Connor Rick Blom rblom@blazie.com Bel Air, Maryland