Joe Halpin asks: > Do you need a high clearance or 4 wheel drive vehicle to bird the > Southeast Arizona area? The map seems to indicate lots of dirt and > gravel roads. Joe Halpin Silver Spring, MD email: halpinj @juno.com Some areas require high clearance, many (if not most) do not. If you want to go to French Joe Canyon or into California Gulch, then a strong heart, high clearance, and just possibly 4WD would be useful, but you can do an awful lot of birding in SE Arizona with a standard auto, Joe. Be sure you learn how to use your gears to provide braking on some of the long downhills, otherwise you risk burning your brakes out! Get the ABA guide to Southeastern AZ and you should be just fine! Cheers, Norm =============== Norm Saunders Colesville, MD osprey@ari.net