Marshall, In a message dated 98-10-09 09:25:36 EDT, you write: << Although I no longer have your original description of this bird, nothing I read here eliminates yellow-throated vireo (possibly also pine warbler?). Particularly given that the initial impression was that of a warbler, and the subsequent size comparison with a yellow-rumped warbler makes it sound more the size of a large vireo than a tanager, which would be considerably larger yet. >> Bill shape and size in Kurt's previous posts ruled out any warbler and vireo possibilities for me. He describes the bill as flesh colored, and wide at the base. He called it a tanager-like bill. Cheers, Todd Day Jeffersonton, VA BlkVulture@AOL.com