Gail -- and all -- take a look at the new Leica. It's a beaut. I, too, am waiting to make the upgrade. We had a big discussion about these scopes a couple of months back and many said really good things about the Leica. Fran -------------------------------- Fran Saunders Web Site Director Maryland Ornithological Society Silver Spring, Maryland webmaster@mdbirds.org http://www.MDBirds.org