In a message dated 99-01-19 11:36:48 EST, Ellen Paul writes: << However, it is not necessary that everyone run all over the state/region to see every bird everywhere. >> While I agree in principle that it seems unnecessary to trek all over a state to find a crow in every county, this is clearly a subjective view. It is also a little narrow. First, all regions are not covered by birders, and some that are, the information gained is not passed on. How many of the local birders on Smith Island pass on their records? Maybe they do, but Smith Island is only one example. Thus there is a need to explore areas that are not so close to home. Second, the hobby of birding for many people is to see a variety of birds. My interest is in birds. All birds. I want to observe every species that I can. I am not willing to sit around my house watching the twenty or so different species that visit my bird feeders. This past weekend, two of us drove to Virginia Beach to go 75 miles off shore. Since I live in Jeffersonton, VA, Culpeper County, quite land-locked, I know no other possibility to observe these species closer to home. Am I supposed to limit the hobby to the birds in my area? Is that the definition of "subvert(ing) your personal interests and hobbies to the common good?" I can't observe pelagic birds (ok, so no pelagics were seen, but thats another issue) because I am not fortunate to live on the coast? Or should I take it a step further; the boat uses diesel, and thus is pollutes the air, so should no one take a pelagic trip? While I agree that fossil fuels are detrimental to the environment in many ways, I do think there is a common good to studying birds in many various habitats and regions. It is difficult to become familiar with many species unless you go to the region those birds exist in. That said, if I have not spent time in Massachusetts would I be able to ID with confidence a Great Cormorant that might appear on the Potomac during a CBC? Where would I garner the ability to identify such species if not in area where they are more common? Or is the argument that the sighting is not that important? Finally, with the amount of commuter traffic in this area alone, does the couple hundred (and the number may be far lower than that) of us going out on weekends and driving six hours round-trip (rare) to see a shorebird phenomena at Bombay Hook, really add to the global pollution problem on a grand enough scale that we ought to consider not doing it? Maybe it does. But I suggest that curtailing the amount of commuter traffic is a better cause to champion then suggesting birders do not need to see "every bird, everywhere." And there is a possiblity that the good that is being done by this effort to see different birds has dividends that out-weigh the ills from driving there. You were looking to stimulate thought and discussion. These are some of my thoughts. Yours, Todd Day Jeffersonton, VA BlkVulture@aol.com