Hello all, I wanted to pipe in to the discussion again with a few comments. I am glad Jim has contributed on the subject of reporting data. He and I (he's doing most of the gruntwork) have been trying to improve on our database since Fall 1995, and we now have a number of regular contributors who share not only ALL their bird sightings for the fall, but also computerize them all for us. Ellen is right in pointing out that _millions_ of lines of data would be hard to handle but the hope is that everyone will share a small part of the burden. If we all store our own sightings in the same way, then we can all share them freely and deposit them in the central database. Another point that Jim did not specify and that may not nbe onvious to everyone is that (for the moment at least) we are concerned only with sightings from Marylad and Virginia. This certainly sets an upper limit on the amount of work it will all take, and makes the value of it more immediately obvious. On request we can send a file of all Franklin's Gulls, Connecticut Warblers, Rufous Hummingbirds, Downy Woodpeckers, or European Starlings reported in MD and VA in the past 4 years. Valuable papers have appeared in Field Notes, Birding, Maryland Birdlife, and elsewhere using just this kind of data. Further, we can send a list of all sightings reported from Blackwater NWR, Little Bennett Regional Park, or Smith Island. Think how easy that would make the work of someone compiling a checklist there. Give it soe thought, and think of some other practical uses...they are many. And think also how much it would add if we had all YOUR sightings from last year! The database now includes fields for species (with sort code to put in taxonomic order), number, month, day, year, location, couny, state, observer, whee the report came from (Voice of Naturalist, MDOsprey etc...), and other comments (age, sex, albino, photographed, nesting etc...). Also, regarding my suggestion that everyone hop in their car and chase the Downy Woodpecker, Hermit Thrush, and Brown Thrasher on Smith Island...let me clarify it. It was meant simply in jest. As Greg Miler pointed out in his last post, he knows of few people (if anyone) who would do such a thing. Nor do I. And nor would I chase such a bird. But why is that I ask myself. I know without a doubt, that if a Western Kingbird hung around in an easily reachable location somewhere in MD and I had time, I wouldn't hesitate to drive 4 hours to see it. I need it for my MD state list. I expect there are others out there who would as well - as while they are almst annual in the state, it is a hard bird to get on your state list since they rarely stay long. But chasing such a bird adds very little to our knowledge. My birding that day will be focused almost entirely on findig that one bird, which has already been found by othes and which is undoubtedly only on a brief migration stopover. Wouldn't it be far more interesting to go see if that Downy Woodpecker is still out on Smith Island? The simple presence of that bird out there raises interesting questions about how much Downy Woodpeckers disperse. Then one wonders if the habitat wil support that one Downy Woodpecker. If so, what other woodpecker species could that little patch of forest support? (My guesses are flicker and Red-belly, but not Hairy or Pileated). Is the Downy a winter resident and will it move on once it comes time for Downy Woodpecker migration? Will it find a mate out there? Or has it already found a mate that Jim and I never located? Has there been a small population of Downy Woodpeckers there all along (I don't think so)? The presence of a Wild Turkey or Northern Bobwhite out there would not interest us much more (at least in terms of "chasing") but wouldn't that be an INCREDIBLE act of dispersal? The fascinating thing about islands in particular is that they are simplified ecosystems. That is why evolution has been so much more obvious there than elsewhere. Much is still to be learned by the study of islands. The Downy Woodpecker illustrates that...events of dispersal and migration in essentially sedentary species are lost among the background noise on the mainland where the species is common. I, also, do a lot of driving around simply looking for birds. Most of the time I am surveying rarely visited parts of the state and feel that my contributions are significant enough to buffet the wasted gas and burning of the fossil fuels. But...it probably isn't. I have a gas-guzzling Ford Explorer and have put 110,000 mi on it in 2.5. years. I am unlikely to slow my pace, but my justification is that I try to maximize the value of my birding time by trying to visit areas that need the coverage. Ironically, Smith Island trips probably save gas. A three day weekend that would otherwise be spent wandering from favorite site to favorite site on the Eastern Shore is instead spent on Smith Island. I use public transportation on the way over (ferry) and am stuck walking the one road once I get there. This time we had a canoe. From Friday to Sunday morning we burned no fossil fuels (though we did use a little natura gas and electricity hile staying in my friend's home out there). I applaud Ellen for reminding us to consider the impact that our hobby has, but I must say I would be _overjoyed_ to see places like Smith Island get more coverage, whether it was because someone took an interest in the Downy Woodpecker or in more conventionally "list-friendly" rarities out there (like Purple Sandpiper, Orange-crowned Warbler, or the Hermit Warbler I plan to find on my next trip there). Good birding to all! Marshall Iliff miliff@aol.com