ospreyers, This post to ID-frontiers should be salient. Reactions from you conowingers would be of interest. . . Robert Weiner (rweiner@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu) International Business Department George Washington University Washington DC 20052 202 994 5981 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:11:43 -0800 From: Bruce E. Webb <BruWebb@NS.NET> To: BIRDWG01@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU Subject: Re: [BIRDWG01] Amazing New Gull Photos from Japan No doubt, these are the finest series of Slaty-backed Gull photos yet to be offered over the internet. Thanks to Alan Chartier for photographing them and to Bob Lewis for posting them. I look forward to seeing the rest of the gulls in the series. I see several photos in Alan's series of adults that are near matches for the gull I photographed at Beals Point in California about one year ago. http://www.ns.net/~BruWebb/BealsPoint.htm . The wide, white scapular crescents, the dark mantle, the extent and intensity of head streaks, even the shape of the white primary tips match. Up until now, other sources like the Tacoma, Washington Slaty-backed photos look extremely black-backed compared to these from Japan -- I think partly due to harsh direct light versus diffuse light conditions. http://www.ups.edu/biology/museum/SBGUphoto1.jpg http://www.ups.edu/biology/museum/SBGUphoto3.jpg Even in Jon Dunn's Gull Video, the adult Vega Gulls standing on the beach next to adult Glaucous Gulls still give me pause to think that adult Vega Gulls might appear quite a bit darker-mantled than Herring Gulls. I hope the some of the remaining gulls to be posted in Alan's series from Japan might include some mixed species, side-by-side shots, so we can compare mantle colors variation both within Slaty-backed Gulls and between Slaty-backed and Vega Gulls. For example what is that slightly lighter-mantled gull in the background on image D? Great work. Bruce E. Webb BruWebb@ns.net (916) 797-0535 -----Original Message----- From: Robert H. Lewis <lewis@bway.net> To: BIRDWG01@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU <BIRDWG01@LISTSERV.ARIZONA.EDU> Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 7:40 AM Subject: [BIRDWG01] Amazing New Gull Photos from Japan >Larophiles, > > Allen Chartier visited Japan in November 1998 and has brought back an >amazing collection of gull photos. I am pleased and honored to present >them on my gull web site. > > The Slaty-backed photos are on line now, and in the days ahead I will >add photos of Kamchatka, Vega, Glaucous-winged, and others. > > Neither he nor I are very familiar with Asian gulls, so of course >comments are welcome indeed from those who are! > > I believe this is the finest collection of Slaty-backed photos I have >ever seen. > >Enjoy! > >Bob Lewis >Sleepy Hollow NY >http://www.bway.net/~lewis/birds/gulls.html >