For those of you who are interested in ruling out the F1 hybrid possibility, check out this web site: http://losbird.org/kelp.htm -- Good Birding! The probability of a given Tyler Bell event occurring is inversely mailto:bell@say.acnatsci.org proportional to its desirability. California, MD http://www.audubon.org/chapter/md/smas/ GREGORY.B.MILLER@bge.com wrote: > > Howdy All! > > I have had interest at the outset whether or not this bird displayed > characteristics of some hybrid (the "H" word). I will not go into great > detail as I am no expert on the matter. I have, however, out of my own > personal interest, perused some interesting information and photographs of > known hybrid gulls on the internet that would pose a possibility for the > Sandgate Gull. Following is a brief summary--readable, I hope. Again, > these are only my observations... > > Kelp Gull X Herring Gull > > -some of these have been found in Louisiana > -Herring Gull size; Sandgate Gull similar, but appears chunkier [to > me] > -these have dark gray mantles; Sandgate Gull is easily blacker -these > gulls have the bill of a Kelp Gull; so does the Sandgate > Gull > -on the upperwing, these gulls show distinctly darker primaries; the > Sandgate Gull also has darker primaries, but the distinction is > far less than the photos of these hybrids on the internet > -on the underwing, these hybrids are light, except for the darker > primaries; on the Sandgate Gull, the dark color continues inward into the > secondaries, diffusing only a short distance from the body (this, I > understand, is a key difference in separating this hybrid from a Kelp Gull) > > -Greg Miller > Baltimore, MD