Hey Charlie, Don't know if your question was inspired by my comment on The Osprey about crane and ruff being new or not; they actually are not new for MY Md list, i meant new for the list that Fran Saunders is keeping for this year. Don't really know what my Md list is, somewhere over 300, i would guess. Actually, i do know what my list for the piedmont and Western Shore is -- 315. Garrett, Allegany, Washington and the Eastern Shore would probably add a dozen or so more (also pelagics). danny