Charlie, I am a member of Jug Bay. I used to come there on Wednesdays and it was never crowded. As a matter of fact one time I birded there for almost 3 hours and never saw a soul! Where is the banding station located? Last week went to Lake Needwood. A large number of Golden Crowned Kinglets and some Rubies, a number of Towhees, BT Blues, B & W Warb. Phoebe-heard. I was never there before. I read a note about Needwood on this board and went to explore the area. [Ridge Trail] BTW...I do not recall...do you allow bikes in the refuge? Abbie