Peter

Thanks.  Now that I am retired I may do that - visit.  At least Gail is
happy to have emails to read during this slow time.  I think she is retired
as well.

Regards

George

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Mann" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MDOSPREY] Eastern Neck Hawk Watch - Saturday October 23


> As the originator of this thread, let me try to club it to death.
>
> We have heard, over here on the Eastern Shore, about the storkoid
> tendencies
> of new world vultures. Admittedly, some of us had to wait until one of you
> Big City Birders crossed the bridge and read it out loud for us.
>
> Note: I never claimed that I thought the were related to hawks or falcons.
> As far as including them in a list of diurnal raptors, I think that has
> been
> covered in detail in the previous posts.
>
> However, George seems to take umbrage with my referring to the "Hawk
> Watch"...
>
> The event was named by the staff at the Eastern Neck National Wildlife
> Refuge. To quote from their official website:
>
> "Eastern Neck National Wildlife Refuge is one of over 500 National
> Wildlife
> Refuges throughout the United States. The Refuge System is administered by
> the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, a branch of the Department of the
> Interior"
>
> AND the Dept of the Interior is a Department of the United States
> Government, which we all know is all wise and infallible.
>
> Therefore I would suggest that each of you look deep into your heart
> before
> you question whether or not we had us a hawk watch.
>
> It may not be right, but it IS official.
>
> Peter
>
> Seriously though, come on over and we'll show you some birds.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Maryland Birds & Birding [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> Behalf Of George M. Jett
> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 7:03 AM
> To: 
> Subject: Re: [MDOSPREY] Eastern Neck Hawk Watch - Saturday October 23
>
>
> Jerry
>
> Vultures are still more related to storks then hawks or falcons in spit of
> the tradition.  It is not just because they eat dead things.  Many hawks
> will also when hungry.  The subject line is "Eastern Neck Hawk Watch".
> They
> ain't hawks.
>
> Raptors is not a taxonomical term.  I think hawk watchers need something
> to
> count while they are waiting for a hawk or falcon to fly by, and they are
> easy to recognize.  (Where is Steve Huy when you need him?)
>
> The past time of counting hawks and falcons also started long before the
> scientist moved vultures.  I say put them all alphabetical until the
> scientist can figure out the real order.
>
> Regards
>
> George
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerald & Laura Tarbell" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 9:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [MDOSPREY] Eastern Neck Hawk Watch - Saturday October 23
>
>
>> George said: Vultures are not raptors.
>>
>> However, they are being listed on every hawk count in the country,
>> including
>> both Hawk Mountain and Cape May.
>>    Jerry
>>
>