I agree with Dave. We should go back and try to see this bird at Pine Knob Road. I've also heard Raven-like sounds from Fish Crows. I noticed the other day that the Fish Crows accross from where I work are rebuilding their nest atop a light fixture. Perhaps the sound heard at Pine Knob Road is a Fish Crow courtship sound, which is why we're not used to hearing it apart from the usual "uhhh - uhhh" sound the Fish Crow makes. I'd love to hear the Raven is for sure. I still need it for my Maryland List. Good Birding, Darius Ecker (dariuse@abs.net) Columbia, Maryland