Robin, et al, I was not present for the Raven call at Pine Knob Rd, but it interests me because, about one year ago, I heard a rather deep, hoarse 3-note call that sounded like a Raven to me on Powells Run Rd, which is a delightful little road that hangs south off Liberty Rd about a mile east of Liberty Lake. (I.e., it's about 5 miles southeast of Pine Knob Rd.) I saw the bird flying in the distance, and it looked kind of hefty, but I couldn't get a positive visual ID. I have heard a lot of Ravens elsewhere that were visually confirmed. Note, two of our best Baltimore area birders did visually identify a Raven north of Towson last year. One of the birders was in a swimming pool at the time! I wonder how similar the calls of Fish Crows (or young American Crows?) are to a Raven. And is the 3-note hoarse call that most of us assume is a Fish Crow really a young American Crow as some have cautioned? (Or a Raven?) The only call that I have felt was unambiguously a Fish Crow is the nasal two-note "ER-er" call. But I really don't know. How do you distinguish the 3-note calls of these three species? Can you really distinguish them? (Should we add Chihuahuan Ravens?) I'd be interested in any commentary on this. Steve Sanford