Hi Folks! On 11 February, Mary Gustafson wrote: "While I appreciate the fact that others have different opinions, this record will be reviewed in the appropriate venue, which is the Maryland DC Records Committee. Identifications of this magnitude should not be decided on the internet or at a bird club meeting. " I can not disagree more. If I may use something stolen from Arnie Palmer (a systematist of Cambrian fossils, not the golfer) who probably stole it from Stephen J. Gould (an avid Red Sox Fan who from time-2-time writes about Evolution): "When asked how they make a call, three Umpires replied: #1 "There are balls and there are strikes, and I call them the best I can." #2 "There are ball and there are strikes, and I call them the way I see them" #3 "There are ball and there are strikes, but they aren't anything until I call them." When I go to a ball game, I do not wait for any Umpire to tell me what occured. I also recall something attributed to Confucious: "Remember always that the Camel and the Elephant are horses made by Committees." :-) Greg Miller asked the important question...what are the salient identification features? What features are diagnostic? What features are equivocal? Mark Hoffman has written a wonderful draft comparing the features and I do not want to steal his thunder. I shall simply restate my opinion that the shape of the dark spots on the wing coverts is a *diagnostic* character and *unequivocably* differentiates Common Gull (Larus canus canus) from Ring-billed Gull (Larus delawarensis). If the dark spots are arrowhead-shaped (V), then the bird is a Ring-billed Gull, if the spots are U-shaped, (U), then the bird is a Common Gull. Please note....this is diagnostic only if you are left with the species: Common Gull (Larus canus canus), Short-billed Gull (Larus canus brachyrhynchus), Kamchatka Gull (Larus canus kamchatensis), and Ring-billed Gull (Larus delawarensis). Of this group, only Ring-billed has the arrowhead-shaped dark spots in the coverts. Good Birding! Jim Jim Stasz North Beach, MD jlstasz@aol.com