Jim, If memory serves, the umpire who said, "It ain't nothing till I call it" was Bill Klem. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Terry Ross tross@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us Baltimore MD BALTIMORE BIRD CLUB http://www.bcpl.lib.md.us/~tross/baltbird.html BACKYARD BIRDING http://www.bcpl.lib.md.us/~tross/by/backyard.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jlstasz@aol.com wrote: > Hi Folks! > > On 11 February, Mary Gustafson wrote: > > "While I appreciate the fact that others have different opinions, this record > will be reviewed in the appropriate venue, which is the Maryland DC Records > Committee. Identifications of this magnitude should not be decided on the > internet or at a bird club meeting. " > > I can not disagree more. If I may use something stolen from Arnie Palmer (a > systematist of Cambrian fossils, not the golfer) who probably stole it from > Stephen J. Gould (an avid Red Sox Fan who from time-2-time writes about > Evolution): > > "When asked how they make a call, three Umpires replied: > > #1 "There are balls and there are strikes, and I call them the best I > can." > > #2 "There are ball and there are strikes, and I call them the way I see > them" > > #3 "There are ball and there are strikes, but they aren't anything > until I call > them." > > When I go to a ball game, I do not wait for any Umpire to tell me what > occured. > > I also recall something attributed to Confucious: "Remember always that the > Camel and the Elephant are horses made by Committees." :-) > > Greg Miller asked the important question...what are the salient identification > features? What features are diagnostic? What features are equivocal? Mark > Hoffman has written a wonderful draft comparing the features and I do not want > to steal his thunder. > > I shall simply restate my opinion that the shape of the dark spots on the wing > coverts is a *diagnostic* character and *unequivocably* differentiates Common > Gull (Larus canus canus) from Ring-billed Gull (Larus delawarensis). If the > dark spots are arrowhead-shaped (V), then the bird is a Ring-billed Gull, if > the spots are U-shaped, (U), then the bird is a Common Gull. Please > note....this is diagnostic only if you are left with the species: Common Gull > (Larus canus canus), Short-billed Gull (Larus canus brachyrhynchus), Kamchatka > Gull (Larus canus kamchatensis), and Ring-billed Gull (Larus delawarensis). Of > this group, only Ring-billed has the arrowhead-shaped dark spots in the > coverts. > > Good Birding! > > Jim > > Jim Stasz > North Beach, MD > jlstasz@aol.com >