On 6/26 Rob Hilton wrote regarding the following regarding the White-winged Scoter and Velvet Scoter: << Yes, but it is a distinct subspecies and may possibly in the future be considered as a species different than/from the American form. Rob Hilton robert@csa.com Bethesda, Md.>> My question is: are there any records from North America of the "Velvet" Scoter subspecies of this complex? Carlton Schooley Altoona, PA Carlt0nS@aol.com