Marcia, The phila. vireo at the Rock Creek Park maintenance yard 9.9 was closely observed in the company of a couple of red-eyes. the underparts of the two REs were bright white, contrasting sharply with the phila's pale yellow. The REs were also noticeably larger then the phila (peterson lists them at 15 cm. vs. 12cm.). Of course, comparison of two similar species is always facilitated by seeing them together ... ________________________________________________________________ To the gang at large: Speaking of Philadelphia Vireos, I have a question about differentiating fall birds from Red-eyeds. If the crown patch/eye stripe area is not visible - say, viewing the bird from below - is it possible to reliably separate the two species in the field based on underpart color, overall size, and bill length? Any pointers much appreciated. Marcia Watson-Whitmyre Cecil County ________________________________________________________________ rob Robert Weiner (rweiner@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu) International Business Department George Washington University Washington DC 20052 202 994 5981