Hmmmm. You live in Bethesda, I live in Bethesda. Maybe we should find a quiet spot and work on our skills together. I've got Thayer's and tapes and books (boy, do I have books) and we could do indoor work over the winter and then really get some great field work in next spring. I really need to work on my raptors. Ellen mdosprey@ARI.Net wrote: > > I was heartened to hear that a birder I respect and admire (you know an > awful lot more than I do, Ellen) has the same feelings as I do about birding > in a group. I am such an amateur that I wouldn't vocally identify a bird in > a crowd of birders to save my life. However, because of my fear I have lost > out on the opportunity of learning more about my chosen hobby. My dream is > to go birding with someone, (or a group of someones) who guides me to a > correct identity. I guess that would be a birding 101 class, wouldn't it? > Everything I know about identifying birds (and that is very little) I > learned through reading. > > You are lucky, Ellen, that your husband likes to bird too. My husband likes > to walk through the woods picking up sticks and banging them on trees, > throwing stones in quiet ponds and whistling to make me think an unusual > bird is around. My children are the same, but lately they have begun to > point out birds to me (crows are their favorites to show me). > > Back to lurking--and learning- > > Dona Patrick > Bethesda, MD > dona@gateway.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ellen Paul <epaul@dclink.com> > To: mdosprey@ARI.Net <mdosprey@ARI.Net> > Date: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 6:23 AM > Subject: Mistakes, flubs, and other stomach-turners > > >I have found that I do much better on my own because, while I don't have > >the advantage of many pairs of eyes finding the birds, I am much more > >relaxed, find more birds myself, and have an easier time identifying > >them. When I am around others, I freeze up. On my first out-of-country > >trip, this was a real problem. My husband (much better birder) was > >anxious that I see everything (not easy to do in the tropics to start > >out with) and the more energetically he tried to get me to see every > >bird, the more I missed. Only after a blow-up did he finally leave me > >alone. And from that point on, I didn't dip on a single bird. Even > >found a few before him (want to know what they were?...I'll never let > >him forget them....!) and even saw one that he dipped on . BOOTED > >RACKETTAIL!!!!!! > > > >For years, I have been meaning to really WORK on my id skills, rather > >than just "winging it." Life has interfered with those plans. Now, > >this winter looks very promising - with Thayer's, every field guide, and > >a library full of books, plus two sets of sound recordings. But, with > >regard to gulls, I still say its spinach and I still won't eat it. > > > >I find that there are some extremely skilled birders who share their > >knowledge and for them I am grateful, but most are highly competitive > >and gloat when you make an error. For them, I practice avoidance. I'm > >out there because I love seeing the birds and if I don't get an ID > >quickly, or don't nail it down until getting home and consulting the > >various authorities, well, so be it. That's how I learn. > > > >I've also found that my first impression is right 95% of the time, and > >unless I get unusually good and/or long views (or hear the song), I > >probably won't ever be able to tease apart the empids, catch every fall > >warbler in bad light, and so on. > > > >Just my .02. > > > >Ellen Paul > > > > > > > >-- > >Ellen Paul Chevy Chase,MD mailto:epaul@dclink.com > > -- Ellen Paul Chevy Chase,MD mailto:epaul@dclink.com