In a message dated 98-09-24 22:11:56 EDT, you write: << Part of the quandary is that the damn things are federally protected, >> Thankfully the birds are federally protected. I have a small vulture roost in my yard, but it has no ill effects on my property or house. I just drive by them in the morning, say hi, and off I go. The roost is not roosted upon everyday. However, I have no idea what to suggest regarding the problem of these people in New York. While I do not subscribe to the concept that god put anything anywhere for a reason, I do believe that these vultures were poking around New York a whole lot longer than we were. You mention a permit, but you don't mention what the permit would permit them to do. If it is a permit to capture and transport them to another location, sure, they should be granted one to give it a try. If the permit is to kill them, I find this notion preposterous. Since I have no interest in buying a copy of People magazine, I can only presume the problem they are having with the birds is the mess. I guess the only thing I can do is feel sympathetic to the residents plight. Too bad the birds picked their yard. Todd Day Jeffersonton, VA