------ =_NextPart_000_01BDEDCE.87E4B300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks, Bill. Your reference kind of supports my interpretation, that sometimes the = young males look like females except for the one male plumage = characteristic I've been noticing. Peterson's "Warblers" shows a young = male that looks a lot like the adult male while "Warblers of the = Americas" shows a bird more like you've described below. The part of = the wing I've been seeing white is called the alula and makes up the = feathers at the wrist of the wing (see Peterson's Warblers). "Warblers = of the Americas" shows a plate of a young male almost like I've been = seeing, except the alula and the primary coverts are brighter white in = these few birds I've seen (four this fall). I guess I've answered this question for my self. These must be the = young males. This is confusing. Compare the plates of young = Black-throated Blue in a"Warblers" and "Warblers of the Americas". They = look nothing alike. Good Birding, Darius Ecker (dariuse@abs.net) Columbia, Maryland. ---------- From: tern[SMTP:tern@visuallink.com] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 1998 8:55 PM To: mdosprey@ARI.Net Subject: Re: Black-throated Blue females ? Peter Pyle's book "indentification guide to North American Birds" states "AGE/SEX- Juv (Jun-Aug) is like HY/SY ,but the plumage is = heavily washed with brownish; juv female =3Dmale, although the distinctive sex-specific plumage of male is often visible before fledging.. = Basically if I understand the jargon correctly he is saying that in many cases the = male is distinguishable before fledging but not always in which case males = are heavily washed brownish. I quoted the book excactly because I don't = totally trust my interpretation. William Leigh -----Original Message----- From: Darius Ecker <dariuse@abs.net> To: 'MDOsprey Mailing List' <MDOsprey@ARI.Net> Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 5:10 PM Subject: Black-throated Blue females ? >I've noticed this year what I thought were female Black-throated Blue Warblers with a white edge along the lower front edge of the wing. = Birds that are brownish olive in color with a white primary patch. This = morning I saw 6 BTB females, and two of them had this white edge. Since the adult male has this white edge, I'm wondering if the birds I'm seeing with = this white edge on the wing are in fact the young males. I looked in = "Warblers of the Americas" by Curson, Quinn and Beadle and their depiction of a first year male doesn't show it. > >Does anyone know the answer to this ? > >Thanks in advance. > >Good Birding, > >Darius Ecker (dariuse@abs.net) > >Columbia, Maryland ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDEDCE.87E4B300 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+Ig0KAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAIAAgABBJAG AAwBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAD8AAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAABtZG9zcHJleUBBUkkuTmV0AFNNVFAAbWRvc3ByZXlAQVJJLk5ldAAAHgACMAEAAAAF AAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAAMwAQAAABEAAABtZG9zcHJleUBBUkkuTmV0AAAAAAMAFQwBAAAAAwD+DwYA AAAeAAEwAQAAABMAAAAnbWRvc3ByZXlAQVJJLk5ldCcAAAIBCzABAAAAFgAAAFNNVFA6TURPU1BS RVlAQVJJLk5FVAAAAAMAADkAAAAACwBAOgEAAAACAfYPAQAAAAQAAAAAAAADCSwBCIAHABgAAABJ UE0uTWljcm9zb2Z0IE1haWwuTm90ZQAxCAEEgAEAIgAAAFJFOiBCbGFjay10aHJvYXRlZCBCbHVl IGZlbWFsZXMgPwBaCwEFgAMADgAAAM4HCgACAAYAIQAJAAUAFgEBIIADAA4AAADOBwoAAgAGABMA MAAFAC8BAQmAAQAhAAAANEYxNzY0OUU2RTU5RDIxMUEwMUEwMDQwMDUzNTU3OTUA2QYBA5AGAJwI AAASAAAACwAjAAAAAAADACYAAAAAAAsAKQAAAAAAAwA2AAAAAABAADkAoOBwDPDtvQEeAHAAAQAA ACIAAABSRTogQmxhY2stdGhyb2F0ZWQgQmx1ZSBmZW1hbGVzID8AAAACAXEAAQAAABYAAAABve3w DGeeZBdQWW4R0qAaAEAFNVeVAAAeAB4MAQAAAAUAAABTTVRQAAAAAB4AHwwBAAAAEAAAAGRhcml1 c2VAYWJzLm5ldAADAAYQ+TlpAgMABxAMCAAAHgAIEAEAAABlAAAAVEhBTktTLEJJTExZT1VSUkVG RVJFTkNFS0lORE9GU1VQUE9SVFNNWUlOVEVSUFJFVEFUSU9OLFRIQVRTT01FVElNRVNUSEVZT1VO R01BTEVTTE9PS0xJS0VGRU1BTEVTRVhDRQAAAAACAQkQAQAAABsHAAAXBwAAog0AAExaRnW9gXBG /wAKAQ8CFQKoBesCgwBQAvIJAgBjaArAc2V0MjcGAAbDAoMyA8UCAHByQnER4nN0ZW0CgzN3AuQH EwKAfQqACM8J2TvxFg8yNTUCgAqBDbELYOBuZzEwMxRQCwoUUSUL8mMAQCBUEYBua5BzLCBCAxBs LgqF1QqFWQhhIBYQZgSQCfAQY2UgawuAZCBvwGYgc3VwcBWxBCDYbXkgC4AT0HITUBHA2GF0aQIg G1B0EYAFQL5zA3ARwAdzH9AdcHkIYJ8ZEB6QB0AHkRWgb2shsJxpax1wHRAhZGV4HWB/BTECEAXA IMICIB1wIWIg9QtQdQDAZx1wEXIA0B7xgwQAH3BjIEkndh1wYmIJ4SBubyWRC4BncC4gIFARwASQ ICBucicEICJXCsACYCdRItEeAGhvdwQgYSD5H8Q/IcIowhWgKeEiIiDCYWTMdWwFQCQTd2gDEB1w NyfXHdIgwkEHgAUQY2H5KFliaQsgHpAFsB1wIhP/IQEl4g2wBPImIB3AJiAVoP53JvEa8CRBCsAF QC0FA/D3ITEl2BGwZTIiLAET0B7A/wQgLcAbkDBhKxMKQAtgKND/HbEAwCIwBCAeICCzHRAfYH8g 0CzRKNAFQDHTJWIxmyj3MwEnGifmKSbxLG8tfyRR/x9gI7Ed8CjrB0AEYDdhIhP/Mm4bUCLlNHwg whNQB3AKwH8esAWgJfAeYgrAJgEFEGf+aB7xM2YDoCDBEbAiUQfg3y6SBCAl0zMBA6AoAhAcwTsf 0DPRZjQROdAbzEkg3mcKUAQRJdMAcXcdITRSfTPRcUcxH3IjQx6hEbBszmYm8TECQ6FtdTdhJiDf IL4w4zPRM9ICIGZKoCbEfQhQbQqxKvQ8QzqTIQRC8QtgY2stH9ADYDxhHcD3TzAKUEMyYSfZNRI6 Hzsn/zDkHrAhwyZxLBAhMQdAIiF9G71HIdBQAS6hPzIbzERlCsBpSqAgRU9gQrEocmRXk2VAAaBL 8CPgdF4pG8wIUCRxLpBhG1BNO0FRGPFkG70K9CIQMTiCMALRaS0xNDQN8OcM0F1TC1kxNgqgA2AT 0PklMCAtX3cKh14rDDBe9vpGA2E6YH5e9gyCH8AEkUBbU01UUDpkMkCadgQAdTQRC4BrLgWg/G1d YB9hLQZgAjBiX2NrqxrwCHBzWGB5G1BPJTAmbyYgBcAwMRtQMTlgOTggODoYUCcQTTNmH2EtVG9o X2NrbWQDPdAfIXlAQVJJLo0HwHRsX2cudWJqXzHzbn9ja1Jlc8BPP1BBImbmP1t/XIMzNl33GkVe 9ncnIycQWxBlJ6EG4CHhIr8doWghBpAtsUjzRyBpDbDtH8BvB7AVsWg7FgOgViIPKFAKhRPATlMi QUdFIC9TRVgtSgEgSgx1djhAgHBuLUF1TGcpM8IiE0hZf+BZ8CAsYnU21CRmM9Eg0NJhZSBseQqF dy3QINB/HcAD8H2hQlAooAMAKIA7zCBqgIEiZCA9IWIbUP8HQB/QCGBCgCCzVlAlgR1Q7x9wJfB+ xiLgLXCABZB8Qv8kVx3hJBMz0R3gE9ADoGUhvzBAJDEmICNRIkE0MWcmwr0m8EIt0C2xG5AesWZG l68hIASBfzFApWoKwGdJEb8FoRYQJTCNMSDRM9FzapD/MiIf00NBA4FBcS3QIJUhYv8KhTPRh6R8 4SiAAaCLfyFA/4JCJnE0oYRQE7BDMiwBEXD/kaMhVUIRCoWDdYRGhRYm8P9HAEiwXxE0VHuDIuEl IY0x/yYgLcBYoUbxcGAnkDbRJoDzjRIKhXRySqIerxu2nw8boB+hDFcbgQcwbSBM7zMgQoAKhV9z T0JhC4AHQL8F0EdBJKFfymIUV4s8WG2GPgqFblInTURPcIPXWtEDEDIiTCVxJ6aAqGZ/cNanlleA E9BzwGo/a0g1/joZMGwoc1d173b/HBcKhe4+JdMmc0g2eTYwQsIf8f9HAIb0BUBIAoXmru8KUAqF /1G3hMMo4DN0jDE0kgIgkML/LxEooEKxA1ECMLgkMakm8f9+Y5y2H+JCFIU0HdAiECXx30NBFYO3 XEEWCrB0EXBMBq8u4QMAMjJ+xmEH4DYbYNxUQiJWhrFAond9UDq036JwEYBIRbfYJvFTh+Eq+f8K hSQTEYAgosObG1Al0KJw/8KAjiIyIgaQmhREJaJwMwb/hNJFcoPmt+hJETHXQhJDQf9FwF9BSx9H ACHCMGFDQVGqa7tnOwpiHrBDq+EfklGtfPBuUIEdsUI2MGQ9cvdApC6gL+FwJaBI8zyjXSD/jlEK hbMzJBNwYAeQnAIogs0ewHQbtqeWPkTVwTUB+yEAI+FrJnAH4CsTR+N9Mp9Fc3em1yca9FBjZHYA cP8dYNavVd/W+1efWK/XCVpPfmSwv3hfeW9fMgqFFTEAAecQAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAAAAABAAAcw 4JRgL+7tvQFAAAgw4JRgL+7tvQEeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABSRTogAAAAAAPb ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDEDCE.87E4B300--