>(There is this great Simon Perkins story in Mass. about denying a Western >sighting because the lime green back was not described. A few minutes after >the initial call was placed to the hotline number, Perkins called the >correspondent with the reply, "you saw a Baltimore Oriole - Westerns have >green backs," and then quickly hung up. No amount of arguments subsequently >made a difference to him since people can easily change their descriptions >after the fact!). Kurt, Congrats on the Western Tanager. I won't bore you by questioning the ID since it was such an easy call (compared to, say, an Oporornis warbler or a Sedge Wren). What's so great about the rude behavior in the story you mentioned? I don't think the hotlines should be run by grand pooh-bahs whose role in life is to "deny" sightings. The right thing to do in such a case would be to ask the observer how the other possibility was ruled out. The absolute worst thing to do would be to muddy the waters by stating a key field mark, which is exactly what was done in the case you described. I don't understand the point of your last statement. Since hotlines obviously have to operate under the honor system, it makes no sense to assume that an observer would provide further details dishonestly. If so, then you might as well assume that all reports are dishonest and shut down your hotline. In the case you mentioned, the observer apparently only wanted to supplement the report. I would agree with you if the observer wanted to alter it. The more I hear about hotlines, the more they turn my stomach. But I had already decided to stop reporting to them before hearing this story. Mike Collins Annandale, Virginia collins@ram.nrl.navy.mil