'Spreyers, I too am growing tired of this topic. In fact this sort of pointless complaining and counter-complaining is one of the reasons why I stopped reading Birdchat. To post a complaint is fine...to re-post it another dozen times is not welcome here. To respond cogently to that complaint is fine, to join in the chorus with another dozen "me too's" is pointless. One of the reasons that I've enjoyed MDOsprey so much over the past year is just this lack of complaining and backbiting that is such an everyday fixture of Birdchat. With the exception of the gull discussion last winter and the great MacGillivray's discussion of the past MONTH, this discussion list has been pleasantly free of this sort of nonsense. Let's all heave a sigh of relief and get back to birding, okay? If you have a complaint about the list, feel free to post it to me, PRIVATELY. Or, alternatively, just unsubscribe. Norm Saunders MDOsprey List Owner Osprey@ari.net Colesville, MD =============== Norm Saunders Colesville, MD osprey@ari.net