Phil, Julie Craves' opinion seems to be the same as others I've received. Seems this earlier dove was not a pioneering ECD. Howard Youth hmyouth@erols.com Rockville, MD At 10:18 AM 8/7/99 -0400, you wrote: >All - > >I asked Julie Craves for an opinion on the Dunkirk "Mystery Dove". Julie >is doing research on Eurasian Collared-Doves for an upcoming article. > >Her comments follow ... > > >>Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 11:14:51 -0400 >>From: "Julie Craves" <jcraves@umd.umich.edu> >>Organization: Rouge River Bird Observatory >>To: Phil Davis <pdavis@ix.netcom.com> >>Subject: Re: [BIRDCHAT] Eurasian Collared-Dove records >> >>Phil, > >[SNIP] > >>I took a look at your mystery bird, and my initial reaction is RNTD. >>The bird appears gray in the lower photo, but lacks gray tones in the >>upper photos (since the food tray is faux wood, I'm guessing the color >>accuracy in these photos might be truer). There are fawn-colored >>variants of ECDO, but from what I've read they are not very common yet >>and so far I've only seen them reported from southern FL. Primaries on >>ECDO should be black, or at least darker than the rest of the wing, >>rather than gray or not much darker than the rest of the wing, as in the >>mystery bird. The outer webs of the outer tail feathers on ECDO tend to >>be mostly dark, while on RNTD are mostly white. They appear white in >>this dove. How have opinions been stacking up? > >[SNIP] > >>-- >>Julie A. Craves >>Rouge River Bird Observatory >>University of Michigan-Dearborn >> >>http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/rouge_river > > >================================================ >Phil Davis, Secretary >MD/DC Records Committee > >home: PDavis@ix.netcom.com Davidsonville, Maryland USA >work: PDavis@OAO.com Greenbelt, Maryland USA > >MD/DCRC Web site: http://www.MDBirds.org >================================================ > >