ospreyers, I suppose that if we can't argue about the identification of the pelican, we can at least argue about where it was seen. Like Andy, I observed the pelican today (along with montgomery co. birders David and Ellen Cohen; surprisingly, there was not a single birder at Jones point the entire time we were there, roughly 745 -9AM) on the snags in the Potomac, from which it did not budge. A local fisherman/boater had a reasonably detailed depth map of the Potomac. According to the map (as best we could interpet it), the snags are located in an area labeled "spoilage" ranging between 3 and 8 feet deep (the navigable part of the river is narrow there, and close to the VA side), and at least 75 feet, and possibly as much as 100 feet northeast into MD of the invisible (for now at least) diagonal boundary. As a DC birder, I would be extremely pleased if Todd was correct that the snags are in DC waters, but they do not appear to be so from the depth chart. It also appears that as Todd observed, the extreme southeastern tip of Jones Point part of Maryland. On the lighthouse grounds there is a small stone marker with info about the granting of the land in 1654, but I did not pay much attention to the details. This was my first experience with birding the hydrilla mats, and my hat is off to those who do it regularly; it's one thing to ID a pelican looking into the sun (me, not the pelican) over a half-mile away, another to distinguish the various shorebirds and terns that to me appeared to be the size of dots, even in the Cohen's Kowa Scope! We were looking for black terns, and the best we could do at tern identification was Caspian (lots) and smaller-than-Caspian (lots more!) cheers, and good pelican hunting! Robert Weiner (rweiner@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu) International Business Department George Washington University Washington DC 20052 202 994 5981