All - Tried a hunch yesterday ... didn't work out, but thought I'd relay it to you anyway ... Called the DC Metropolitan Police Harbor Patrol HQ at Water Street, SE. Hoped I'd be able to talk to a patrol officer who would know instinctively whether the "snags" are in MD or DC. Probably got a desk officer ... once I convinced him I was not trying to DO anything TO the pelican ... rather, just WATCH it ... he became more cooperative. He pulled out his map and explained to me that the boundary runs from from Jones Point to Fox Ferry Point (TA DAH!). He said so if you stand at Jones Pt and look at Fox Ferry Point, if the snags are on your right, they are in MD, on your left, they are in DC. So, while this is not a news flash, it makes me think more and more that the snags are in MD waters. [Again, I have not been back to Jones Pt to test any of these hypotheses). I asked my friendly gendarme if I happen to stop by Harbor Patrol HQ if I could look at his map ... thinking it might show some depth gradients ... he said "sure", but it's the same map you can buy at a nautical store ... hmmmm I noted to Sherm the other day that the annotated photo (from the Microsoft Terraserver web site) I sent to Fran and she, in turn, posted on the MOS web site, shows light and dark pixels where "I think" the snags are ... and this location appears to be clearly in MD waters. We do not know when the photo was taken, however. DC birders -- are these snags indeed stationary from year to year? BTW, the bird has now been well seen in MD, DC, VA waters. So, you realize this has just become a game of mental gymnastics (or something ...) Not so briefly after all, Phil ================================================ Phil Davis home: PDavis@ix.netcom.com Davidsonville, Maryland USA work: PDavis@OAO.com Greenbelt, Maryland USA ================================================