Mr. Hersey's unnecessary posting in which he makes public messages which
were clearly intended to be private is Exhibit A in the need for a strong
listserv guru.  We all know from previous incidents how this sort of
discussion quickly dissolves. I suspect Norm is even now putting the
fininishing touches on a message reminding all of us of the purpose
and limitations of MDOsprey and the need to be civil.  I second that
message before it even arrives.
maryanne dolan
elkton, md



On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 1:11 AM, Stephen Hersey <> wrote:

> Sorry about that last post.  Copy and paste went wild and then i
> accidentally hit send.  Here's the proper message...
>
> Hi folks, I just received this message:
>
> "Stephen:
> You are an arrogant ill informed jerk.  I personally resent you and your
> alleged "former Special Ops guys" assault on Norm's integrity.  I suggest
> that if you want to send such communications to Norm you do it
> privately--just as I am privately (not publically) telling you to fuck off.
> Stephen Hult
> Edgewater MD"
>
> Well, I guess I just made that one public.  Oops.  I received another one
> from Mark Johnson calling me an asshole and a blowhard.  Sigh.
>
> Really not worthy of a response on my part, just wanted to share this with
> you all.  Aw heck, I have to respond a little.  I never attacked Norm's
> integrity - that would have been unacceptable for me to do.  What I did was
> relay a couple stories that illustrate problems I see regarding MDOsprey.
>  And my communication was not directed to Norm, it was directed to the
> MD/DC birding community.  I used Osprey to relay this message because it is
> currently the only way to do it.
>
> Mr. Johnson, I'm not sure why you interpreted my post as me boasting about
> my family's foundation or my buddies, but that's really far from the mark.
>  I mentioned the foundation to illustrate that I do know a bit about what
> it takes to fund educational efforts and that I could have secured this
> funding quite promptly. The foundation has money, not me (sadly :) so no
> boasting on my part.  I hope no-one else took it like that.
>
> Guys, really no need for such angry emails.  I respect your right to
> disagree with me, but why take it to such a level?  What does that
> accomplish?
>
> I do apologize for the teaser about my buddies finding two MD state birds.
>  I'll be honest and say that I did indeed put that in there to make you all
> cringe and curse and say "damn the listserv limits".  But I should have
> anticipated the deep emotional damage that would be caused by knowing that
> we all missed out on seeing two great birds (no, I didn't get to see them
> either so I'm joining you all in the distress - my friends showed me the
> photos well after the birds were gone). So it's my loss too on that one.
>  They knew the birds would be rare around here, but at the time they had no
> idea they would be state firsts.  Like I said, they were really ticked off
> at MDOsprey and wouldn't even tell me about the birds unless I promised not
> to blab about what they were.  So, I am sorry I included that teaser, but I
> felt it was important.  I spoke with Phil Davis about this and I'm hopeful
> that now they'll be willing to share the info.
>
> Aside from the above, The MD/DC birding community has a problem on their
> hands if the Conservation Chairman of the MOS is actively advocating a
> continued level of weak public involvement in what is undeniably one of the
> most public resources for MD & DC birders (see Kurt's post).  Again, that
> is contrary to any tenets of effective advocacy.  Kurt also posted a noble
> plea to get people inolved in a conservation matter.  With respect Kurt,
> the two posts negate each other.  On one hand, you tell people they can't
> be fully involved in the birding community, and on the other hand you ask
> them to do just that.  That just doesn't make much sense.  Not trying to
> make enemies Kurt, we just have philosophical differences regarding this
> matter.
>
> Kurt did have one very valid point.  MDOsprey is indeed owned by Norm and
> he does have the right to run it however he wants.  By now you know my
> opinions on that.  Again, full respect to Norm for all his past efforts.
>
> Alright, I'm out of this. I'll leave this to you Maryland & DC folks.
>  Best wishes to everyone.
>
> Steve Hersey
> A former DC birder
>
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