David asked for evidence of Ravens at Pine Knob, which I can't offer, but I believe I SAW a Raven at Piney Run Park. Natch, I did not hear it, and unfortunately Norm was back at the car getting the scope, so I really can't call this. Perhaps visitors to Carroll should be more alert to the possibility that Ravens are POSSIBLY expanding here. I'd like to hear what Mark Hoffman and Bob Ringler and other Carroll birders have to say about this speculation, however. Fran -------------------------------- Fran Saunders Maryland Ornithological Society State Web Site Director saunderf@ari.net http://www2.ari.net/saunderf/mos/mos.html