Hi all, On the birding software, I have both of the Thayer products. I personally do not find them very usefull. The Birds of North America is okay, it has a lot of pictures but not a lot of text. However, the Birder's Diary I find close to useless. Trying to enter your lifelist can be very frustrating. Unless you just check off the bird you saw and don't write in where you saw it or what the date of the sighting was, this becomes very tough. It won't allow you to just type in where you saw it, you must pick from an already made list of states. So if you want to write in more specifics then you have to add a new site. It goes on and on forever. I won't ramble anymore but I got these for Christmas and if I had been able choose which software I wanted it would not be the Thayers. Later, Alex