Hi all -- Yes, it is true that an *early* Sunday visit will encounter the gulls, but with no landfill activity to keep them, they soon depart. We have been over there on at least three Sundays in the early afternoon (just passing by) and have found less than a tenth of the birds present on Saturday, and visits in late pm by others have found *no* gulls. Saturdays and weekdays, for those who can do the latter, are more reliable. We go over to Pax on average about every other day and it appears that Saturdays may be best -- strictly a hypothesis, but with landfill activity shutting down at noon, perhaps more gulls drift over to the lake for a bath and nap. Last Saturday was very impressive indeed! We're off in about 15 minutes for another visit -- not expecting the ice to have held up, so not sure what conditions will be...will report later. Cheers, Gail Mackiernan